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The Fanon of Atlantis - Polls!

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I always find it interesting that it doesn't take fandom long to retcon fanon and fill in the missing bits not covered by series canon. I wonder if perhaps, that is one of the primary functions that fanfiction serves?

Sometimes, we get Jossed in a spectacular way - anyone remember the reams of fanfic speculating that Spike was a poor orphan who grew up on the harsh London streets? Yeah, Joss blew *that* one out of the water.

Sometimes it's little incidentals - everyone *knew* that Buffy's name was really Elizabeth, and Vanilla was her favourite scent - that really help to flesh out the characters, and make them more real. I'm fascinated when I see some tidbit about a character have a big enough fannish consensus that it becomes generally recognized fanon. It's even better when the shows creators are kind enough to give fandom a little shout out by recognizing it on screen, but we all know how rare that is.

I was reflecting that I have seen many similar things regarding character fanon in SGA fic, but there seems to be a bit more diversity of opinion. I think I'm going to write up a "My Rodney McKay" and "My John Sheppard" the way I wrote up a "My Spike" when that meme was going around - it gave me a much clearer insight into who Spike was when I was trying to write him. And while I think that I have a pretty good grip on McKay, I find that Sheppard is a slippery sucker to get a handle on. He's all smooth lazy smiles, relaxed slouching in chairs, but the brain of his is every bit as quick, cunning and calculating and Rodney's. He relatively quiet, especially next to McKay, and it's easy to miss the things he's saying. They always say that it's the quiet ones you gotta watch out for, right?

So. Tell me what you think. What are your opinions about some of those little things about John and Rodney?

Poll #1113523 The Fanon of John Sheppard

How does John like his coffee?

Black as sin.
45(23.0%)
Cream only, thanks.
9(4.6%)
Sugar only, thanks.
13(6.6%)
Both.
12(6.1%)
Double cream and sugar. It's all Rodney's fault.
7(3.6%)
*IF* he gets some after McKay is finished hogging the pot, he'll take it any way he can get it,
80(40.8%)
Actually, he's developed a taste for that Athosian tea.
30(15.3%)

John eats

Like a bird. Have you seen how skinny his ass is?
25(12.7%)
With a healthy appetite.
134(68.0%)
Whatever he can filch off Rodney's tray.
38(19.3%)

John's hair

is clearly the result of too much hair product.
9(4.5%)
is clearly the result of unfair genetics.
55(27.8%)
is simply the by product of bad beadhead.
11(5.6%)
defies all attempts at a rational explination, so don't even try.
123(62.1%)

John's feelings about paperwork:

It's a necessary evil for a commander. He can suck it up and write the reports
92(46.7%)
It is one of the top reasons he hates the Wraith. Oh, Major Lorne!
105(53.3%)

Regarding John's education, he

Has the BA required to become an officer; was too bored by classes to earn a higher degree.
51(26.2%)
Has a Masters Degree in math.
81(41.5%)
Has a Masters in Math and Mechanical Engineering
47(24.1%)
Has a Ph.D. in Math
5(2.6%)
..is something else again
11(5.6%)

Okay, you tell me what John's education really is.

John can finess Atlantis like no one else. This is because

he just naturally has the most intuitive grasp of Ancient tech due to his amazing ATA gene.
102(52.0%)
he is actually interfacing with the city on a level that no one else can,
47(24.0%)
Atlantis has an amazing IA that actually anticipates his commands, and the longer he spends in the city, the more both he and Atlantis adapt to each other.
24(12.2%)
Atlantis is actually self aware, and she speaks to John; he just doesn't mention it because he realized within weeks arriving that he was the only one it was happening to.
23(11.7%)

When it comes to romantic relationships, John's preference is for:

Women - he's straight.
40(20.3%)
Men - come on, the hair is a dead give-away!
25(12.7%)
Intelligence, wit and honesty; he's clearly bi.
109(55.3%)
A warm body with a heart beat that is still breathing.
23(11.7%)

Speaking of relationships, John is

so torn up about Elizabeth because they were lovers.
6(3.0%)
secretly pining for Teyla
10(5.1%)
totally doing it with Teyla.
2(1.0%)
secretly pining for Rodney
46(23.4%)
totally doing it with Rodney.
55(27.9%)
secretly pining for Ronon
2(1.0%)
totally doing it with Ronon.
0(0.0%)
involved with someone else altogether.
1(0.5%)
unable to *ever* see these things coming.
75(38.1%)

John's family life

His parents were happily married, and he grew up feeling loved.
10(5.1%)
His parents were happily married, but communication was tough and he always felt like a loner.
57(29.2%)
His parents were unhappily married, and he grew up feeling unloved and disconnected.
19(9.7%)
His parents were unhappily married; his father was controlling/authoritarian/abusive.
14(7.2%)
His mother died when he was young, but he grew up with a dad who loved him.
17(8.7%)
His mother died when he was young, he grew up with a dad who was was controlling/authoritarian/abusive.
68(34.9%)
was entirely different than any of these.
10(5.1%)

Different, huh? So what is your theory about John's family life growing up?

John's dad is

a military man.
159(82.0%)
an academic
35(18.0%)

John got married because

he was young and they were in love.
33(16.8%)
he was scared and she proved he wasn't gay.
15(7.6%)
it seemed like a good idea at the time.
149(75.6%)


Poll #1113524 The Fanon of Rodney McKay

How does Rodney like his coffee?

Black, you heathens!
44(22.3%)
Cream only,duh!
1(0.5%)
Sugar only, duh!
9(4.6%)
Cream and sugar
16(8.1%)
A double double, naturally.
25(12.7%)
Any. Way. he can get it.
102(51.8%)

Rodney's hypoglycemia...

Is really a product of his imagination. He eats when he's nervous, said so himself.
18(9.1%)
Is real, but relatively mild. He totally milks it for sympathy.
81(40.9%)
Is a serious medical condition for him that most of his co-workers don't take seriously.
33(16.7%)
Is a serious medical condition for him and everyone knows it; he still totally milks it for sympathy
66(33.3%)

When it comes to sports, McKay roots for...

The Canadiens
6(3.0%)
The Senators
6(3.0%)
The Canucks
8(4.1%)
Any Canadian team that happens to be winning the series
23(11.7%)
No one. However, hockey is better than football and Sheppard needs to realize this.
153(77.7%)
The Blue Jays. Football and hockey are both stupid.
1(0.5%)

Rodney grew up in

Toronto
115(59.9%)
Montréal
6(3.1%)
Ottawa
7(3.6%)
Vancouver
54(28.1%)
Another city.
10(5.2%)

Another city, eh? Which one?

Cooking;

The man can burn water.
17(8.6%)
Rodney can make Kraft Dinner but not much else.
67(34.0%)
By necessity due to allergies, he as learned to do fair amount oc cooking
106(53.8%)
He is a gourmet cook; made himself beef medallions with cognac sauce the night before heading off to Pegasus.
7(3.6%)

Rodney's bed

Has the same crappy, narrow mattress as eveyone else on Atlantis.
52(26.4%)
has a prescription mattress from Earth, and he deserves it.
145(73.6%)

When it comes to romantic relationships, Rodney's preference is for:

Women - he's straight, duh.
41(20.7%)
Men - so obviously gay.
11(5.6%)
Intelligence, wit and honesty; he's clearly bi.
146(73.7%)

Speaking of relationships, Rodney is

dating Katie. Seriously. I'm with the canon on this one.
29(14.6%)
dating Katie because he lost Beckett forever.
2(1.0%)
dating Katie, but secretly pining after John.
52(26.1%)
dating Katie, but *so* doing it with John.
34(17.1%)
dating Katie, but secretly pining after Ronon.
1(0.5%)
dating Katie, but secretly pining after Teyla.
0(0.0%)
oblivious.
81(40.7%)

Rodney's Parents;

Were happily married and provided a stable loving home for the kids.
21(10.6%)
Were a poor match, yet tried to provide a stable loving home for the kids.
45(22.6%)
Hated each other/ were neglectful or abusive/used the kids against each other
92(46.2%)
Divorced when the kids were young.
41(20.6%)




BTW, if there is something I didn't make a question for, an opinion you hold about either of the boys that you think should be generally recognized fanon, leave a comment! I love this stuff. Sometimes I like someone's theory about a quirk a character has so much, I adopt it as character fanon for myself.

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( 43 thoughts — Whatcha thinkin'? )
youngwilliam
Dec. 31st, 2007 05:55 am (UTC)
As per Rodney's bed, note that all we've seen of his at-home on-earth habits (as far as I know) is him asleep on the sofa, so I'm betting he doesn't have anything funky unless he pushed for it for no good reason (like my take on the hypoglycemia)
shaddyr
Dec. 31st, 2007 06:00 am (UTC)
This is true - we have all seen him camped out in boxers and tee on that sofa.

I'm inclined to think that he's the type who can't help making a mountain out of a molehill. And likely doesn't need such a mattress in a "I can't function the next day without it" kind of way. It's much more likely that his lack of regular exercise and being hunched over computers compiling code and running simulations have a lot more to do with his back problems than anything else.

However, given that he's *Rodney* he totally would push for it. Just cuz he's Rodney. *grin*
ladyniko
Dec. 31st, 2007 06:18 am (UTC)
However, given that he's *Rodney* he totally would push for it. Just cuz he's Rodney. *grin*


Oh yeah, the Queen King of Hissy fits! :-p
sp23
Dec. 31st, 2007 06:53 am (UTC)
As for Rodney's love life - he is totally in love with Sheppard, he just is completely oblivious about it. Which is why I love first time fic, because I love seeing Rodney discover (to his shock) he's not as straight as he always assumed.

Also? I am so in love with that man. But you already knew that. *g*
shaddyr
Dec. 31st, 2007 06:56 am (UTC)
ZOMG! Sandy, did you *see*? I wrote my very first slash ever! It was McShep, and really, ultimately, it was your fault, because I remember you saying McShep was hot, so I gave it a try...

You can find it right here and I would *so* love to know what you think, because I value your opinion about my writing since back in the Buffy days.

elfgirl
Dec. 31st, 2007 12:57 pm (UTC)
A note on John's education--a Bachelor's is required to become an officer in the AF, but to make Major he would have had to get a Master's (probably at the War College). So, he has to have an MS/MA in something, my guess is AE.
shaddyr
Dec. 31st, 2007 07:26 pm (UTC)
ah! I did a little bit of research trying to figure out what the educational requirements were for officers, and all I got was the Ba - thanks so much for educating me further!
lazigyrl
Dec. 31st, 2007 02:41 pm (UTC)
You totally left the Leafs off the list but gave Toronto as an option for growing up. As a Habs, then Sens fan, I love it but really if you include one, you should include the other. Toronto is completely delusional about it's hockey team.

I am in complete denial over the Katie thing, will be even if they threw a big huge wedding for them. For me, watching the two of them is about as exciting as watching paint dry... My Rodney deserves different (BTW: I like Katie just not the relationship, had the same problem with the whole idea of Sheppard/Weir thing).
shaddyr
Dec. 31st, 2007 07:47 pm (UTC)
You totally left the Leafs off the list but gave Toronto as an option for growing up.

!!!

Oh my god, you're right! How did I do that? *headdesk*

Toronto is completely delusional about it's hockey team.

Uhm. Yeah. *snort* So are Vancouverites, actually. Have spent 10 years here watching the Canucks fail. *sigh* I despair of the cup ever coming home here.

I am in complete denial over the Katie thing, will be even if they threw a big huge wedding for them. For me, watching the two of them is about as exciting as watching paint dry... My Rodney deserves different

HA! I totally feel the same way. If there was a wedding I would be writing al my fic as "AU from wedding episode where John objected and Rodney left Katie at the alter." Or something like that.

BTW: I like Katie just not the relationship, had the same problem with the whole idea of Sheppard/Weir thing.

I find Katie pretty boring. We don't really see much of her, so it's not like we've had a chance to really get to know he or anything, but what I have seen of her leads me to think that it's her soft safety that appeals to Rodney, some semblance of normality out in Pegasus - like he was telling her, he saw his sister and her family and how happy she was, and he is starting to want that for the first time in his life.

I grok.

Edited at 2007-12-31 07:48 pm (UTC)
runonmoonlight
Dec. 31st, 2007 10:18 pm (UTC)
I admit we're slightly delusional. However, when we did win the Cup? It's gonna be SWEET AS PIE (made by Ned from Pushing Daisies). I better fucking be alive for it. Cuz it sure ain't happening this year.

And I'm not saying this because I'm a Leafs fan, but I almost feel like Rodney would be a Leafs fan clearly because he likes to yell when people do things wrong. And thus, the Leafs (or the Canucks really) would be a perfect fit.
shaddyr
Dec. 31st, 2007 11:25 pm (UTC)
I admit we're slightly delusional.

Hee! I relate - we Vancouverites are as well. And once again, the 'Nuks are *not* bringing it home. *sigh* We've been *so* close a couple times in the last decade, it was almost physically painful.

And I'm not saying this because I'm a Leafs fan, but I almost feel like Rodney would be a Leafs fan clearly because he likes to yell when people do things wrong. And thus, the Leafs (or the Canucks really) would be a perfect fit.

See, I agree with you on this. I can't believe I left the leafs out of the poll. Duh. I think that Rodney would be a Leafs or Nuks fan based on if he grew up in TO or Van. I think that fanon leans toward TO, thought with Jeannie in Van, it's hard to know. Then again, a lot of Vancouverites are transplants. I sure am.

I think he'd cheer for whoever he'd cheer for, and then cheer for whoever was left in the series that was Canadian. Kinda like the Nuks fans cheer for the Oilers or the Flames only once the Nuks are down and out.
runonmoonlight
Dec. 31st, 2007 11:38 pm (UTC)
lol, and then there is the whole thing that a lot of Leafs fans (if they are true fans, because my mother is a fan of them, however, is not as insane as the rest of us) -- will only root for the Sens when, say, hell freezes over.

Ahahaha, we've barely even been CLOSE. Like, once or twice we've gone on the ROAD to being close. And then they freeze and fuck it all up. And then we fail. However, my fanatatical love for Curtis Joseph has not done me wrong, he did us good in Davos :D (ahaha I met him once when I was maybe 13, in the height of my obsession, and like, fell on him (legitimately) I was smooth.)

My brother's a Vancouverite transplant, I don't think he'll ever move back to Toronto, he loves B.C too much (he's been away for half the year due to temporarily living with his gf in the States before she moves there too, but she's begging me to do a move as well)
shaddyr
Jan. 1st, 2008 08:55 pm (UTC)
a lot of Leafs fans (if they are true fans, because my mother is a fan of them, however, is not as insane as the rest of us) -- will only root for the Sens when, say, hell freezes over.

*snicker* I know some Nuks fans like that.

my fanatatical love for Curtis Joseph has not done me wrong, he did us good in Davos :D (ahaha I met him once when I was maybe 13, in the height of my obsession, and like, fell on him (legitimately) I was smooth.)

Hee! Uhm. I met Gordie Howe once, when I was a kid. It was pretty damn exciting at the time.

I would have to say that BC is pretty wonderful. I'm planning on never leaving myself. Hey, if you ever do relocate out here, you'll have to give us a shout out!
athenesolon
Dec. 31st, 2007 03:23 pm (UTC)
Per relationships:

He loves Katie but still dreams of Sam.

I'm mostly with canon. :D
shaddyr
Dec. 31st, 2007 07:49 pm (UTC)
Darn! I should have put Sam in there! I didn't even think!
audreyscastle
Dec. 31st, 2007 04:25 pm (UTC)
Rodney is dating Katie, but is secretly pining for Radek, dontcha know? :-D
shaddyr
Dec. 31st, 2007 07:50 pm (UTC)
LOL!

Yes, the wondertwins pairing is quite popular too! I should have left a text question for "Who do you think he's sleeping with/pining for?"
mf_luder_xf
Dec. 31st, 2007 10:02 pm (UTC)
You very second question, I wanted two (maybe three) answers. I see John as being one of those guy who doesn't eat a lot--we rarely see him do so. But I imagine after so long, he just chows down and it's a decent amount. And then we know from Miller's Crossing, he has no issue stealing other people's food from their trays. lol

My own personal sexuality for the boys varies depends on the story I'm writing. If I were to look at them and all we've seen on the show, I would actually tend to think Shep was maybe bi in his mind, but never having tried anything and McKay was straight. But because I find that so limiting, I usually make them both bi at least in their heads if not in practice.

Loved this poll!
shaddyr
Dec. 31st, 2007 11:39 pm (UTC)
See, I think John is an eat-to-live kinda guy; he eats when he's hungry, stops when he's full and if he's peckish, he has no problem with filching from McKay's tray. So yeah, if he was famished, I can totally see him tucking into a hungry man portion for dinner. If he wasn't, I think he'd eat like a bird.

And his ass is skinny - but it's still a*fine* ass.

If I were to look at them and all we've seen on the show, I would actually tend to think Shep was maybe bi in his mind, but never having tried anything and McKay was straight.

It's interesting. When I look at canon, I think they're written to be straight, this was the intent; however, I don't think that the PTB had a clue as to the incredible chemistry that would blossom between McKay and Sheppard. I know as a fan it totally caught me off guard and threw me for a loop. I generally don't see slash as a primary ship, but MAN, the incredibly dynamic between the two of them just *zings* to me.

The way I see it is they are both straight by default, it's their natural preference, but McKay has always been more ore less aware that he found attractive people attractive. And when they met, he saw that John was attractive, and then he grew a friendship with John - and slow, gradually, has been falling in love with him.

I think John is caught up in the mindset - he's in the military, so that's not even an option he can think about considering, so he simply doesn't.

But, for the purposes of fanfic, we are delimited. Thank god.

Ahem. I seem to have indulged in my Rodneyesque proclivity towards babbling. Heh. Thanks for commenting, and I'm really glad you enjoyed the poll! It has been great to see all the responses come rolling in.
neth_dugan
Dec. 31st, 2007 10:08 pm (UTC)
As far as John goes:

I recon the guy is a secret geek, and he has got a masters, of some sort, something that has math in it but beyond that... I also think he'd eventually get a PhD if you gave him enough time, and would probably have gotten one if he'd spent enough time in Antartica, what with little to do socially, and not being very good at the social thing anyway (cause, y'know, the guy is a dork).

His parents, I've no set view, though his mom died when he was young, and his Dad was a crappy parent who wanted him to be military, like he himself.

OH! And I voted for secretly crushing on Rodney, because to me that's the primary one. But, yeah, the guy is completely oblivious to any one else's interest in him, and he really never does see it coming.



Rodney, well I didn't find myself wanting to explain my answers so much there, and I did a meta thing on my LJ ages ago (but not too far back on what's visible due to my LJ being flocked). Many typos abound that I haven't gotten to fixing yet, and some has been Jossed but...
shaddyr
Jan. 1st, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
I also think he'd eventually get a PhD if you gave him enough time, and would probably have gotten one if he'd spent enough time in Antarctica, what with little to do socially, and not being very good at the social thing anyway (cause, y'know, the guy is a dork).

I agree, with both the idea he would get a PhD and the fact that he is a total dork. Can you do a PhD by correspondence? I think you actually have to be attending classes and do a practicum and have a professor you work with on your dissertation? Or something.

I went back an had a quick once-over of your meta Rodney post. This was my favorite comment:

And there's also the habit us fans have of pairing people off. He's the jeans, or the lil' black dress of Atlantis. He goes with everything.

OMG YES! That is it *exactly*. I have mused to myself that Rodney gets slashed with everyone, but I adore the way you put it. *snicker* It's just so perfect.

And so, I'm going to say, Stargate Atlantis is all about Rodney, and it's all Rodney's fault that this fandom is so big. Never before has there been a character that we can all relate too so much, and pair up so well at the same time.

Wordy McWord on that, girl. I agree completely.
neth_dugan
Jan. 2nd, 2008 01:50 pm (UTC)
*g*
ccmom
Dec. 31st, 2007 10:47 pm (UTC)
My problem with this poll was decided which was to answer it. The "this is what I think canon is going with it" versus "omg I wish it was this." So I opted with option one and answered the best I could. However....being a McShep OTP fan, you know the boys are secretly obsessing over each other, but hiding it because of DADT. Loved the poll. It was very 'enlightening.'
shaddyr
Jan. 1st, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)
Oh! I am sorry if it was confusing - the whole point of the poll was to find out what fans think about the things that they haven't filled in for us. Answering with what you really wish it could be would have been perfectly fine!

I'm totally a McShepper as well, so I am with you on that one.

I'm so glad that you answered the poll. Thanks!
bethynyc
Jan. 1st, 2008 03:48 am (UTC)
Here via noticeboard.

Katie is clearly a beard so that John won't get kicked out.

I cringe at every Rodney/Katie scene, because there is *no chemistry all all* between them. And if they had been dating over a year, would he have, oh, kissed her at some point? Not the Cadman kiss, but another one. Things would be less awkward between them if they really had been dating for so long.

Sorry...(kicks away soapbox)
shaddyr
Jan. 1st, 2008 09:23 pm (UTC)
I cringe at every Rodney/Katie scene, because there is *no chemistry all all* between them. And if they had been dating over a year, would he have, oh, kissed her at some point?

Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel about it. I felt more spark between Rodney and Cadman than with him and Katie.

I think what it is, for me anyway, is that it's really not about the slash, it's about the chemistry. I adore the adorkable snarkocity between John and Rodney.

Don't kick your soapbox, you might break your toe! *grin*
bethynyc
Jan. 1st, 2008 09:36 pm (UTC)
Exactly! John and Rodney have fire and spark and wit and can be themselves around each other. Rodney is clearly trying to be someone he isn't for Katie, and I think she is doing the same, and it will all end in tears. He's going to hurt her, and she's going to let him. Rodney needs someone with *way* more spine, someone who will tell him he's being an asshole.

And isn't it sad that I feel this way about fictional characters?
shaddyr
Jan. 1st, 2008 09:49 pm (UTC)
Oh, there is no doubt in my mind that Rodney requires someone with a thick skin who can call him on his bullshit.

And occasionally smack him upside the head.

Yes, he and Katie and destined for heartbreak. There is just no good way that can work. I mean on one hand, at least she's not in his field, so they wouldn't have the competition thing that would be a problem for him and Sam, but Katie's so nice - she's very girl-next-door, wholesome and sweet and kind, and thoughtful and caring and Rodney would eventually be Rodney and say something thoughtless and work too many late nights and I just don't think he would *see* her after he won her. And she wouldn't be the harpy wife, she would try to accommodate him, and he's not completely stupid, he would realize after a time that she was unhappy, and they he would make an effort and then he would resent her for needing what she needed from him when it was taking him away from what he really wanted, his work, and cutting in to time with the person he really enjoyed spending time with - John - and then he'd feel like an ass for feeling resentful, and....

well. It would just get really ugly from there.

Has anyone written this story yet? I mean, I've read stories where they split up, but it's not an integral part of the fic, it's just set dressing for the main event. Has anyone actually written a story exploring McKay in a relationship with Katie, engaged or married to her, looking at her feelings as a woman realizing that the man she loves doesn't really love her the way that she thought he did?

I'd read that.

And isn't it sad that I feel this way about fictional characters?

O_o

You are totally asking the wrong person. Dude. You are asking the person who created a poll about two fictional people to get a better sense of what the fannish community thought about them. *grin*
bethynyc
Jan. 1st, 2008 10:06 pm (UTC)
I have no idea if anyone has written it, but the scars of two divorces could probably make me qualified. I don't know if I *want* to write it, though. Maybe someone will!

And re: fictional characters--sometimes I console myself with the multiverse theory, that somewhere a billion paradigm shifts away, John and Rodney are snarking at each other and fucking like crazed weasels on viagra.
zellieh
Jan. 1st, 2008 06:46 pm (UTC)
[here via newsletter]
I loved looking at other people's answers to your poll; I'm always amazed at how much people have in common in fandom and the way fanon seems to have a life of its own. *g*

You asked for extra thoughts that weren't in the poll, and I think the only one I have for you right now is about John's ATA gene and his ability to handle Atlantis and Ancient tech.

In the poll, you didn't have an option that matched my thoughts on that, because I've always thought that John's gene was nothing special and what made the difference between him and, say, Carson was John's laid-back personality and prior experience with weapons systems and technology that can kill people. So it's not that John's gene is particularly amazing, but rather that he's not afraid of the technology.

The idea that he uses mind-control is mostly fanon, apart from the Chair. For everything else, like the doors, the transporters, and the jumpers, he has to use buttons and touch-panels to operate them just like everyone else in Atlantis. So although the idea that he has a special mental bond with Atlantis makes for great fic, it's not really canon; at least, not for me. ;-)
shaddyr
Jan. 1st, 2008 09:38 pm (UTC)
I've always thought that John's gene was nothing special and what made the difference between him and, say, Carson was John's laid-back personality and prior experience with weapons systems and technology that can kill people. So it's not that John's gene is particularly amazing, but rather that he's not afraid of the technology.

Really? Hmm. So then, it's not so much how strong the gene is in any given person, but rather their experience? so when Carson sat in the Chair in Antarctica, the whole room didn't light up with displays popping up before him at the slightest thought simply because he was uncomfortable with the technology?

I guess I can buy that as a possibility - that would indicate that anyone with even the slightest trace of the gene would then be capable of using the Ancient tech at the same level with enough training.

The idea that he uses mind-control is mostly fanon...he has to use buttons and touch-panels to operate them just like everyone else in Atlantis.

Y'know, it's funny that this is one of those things I really had to think about - because I have read it so much in fic, I really had to reconsider if we had ever seen anything that might give the slightest support or evidence that John might have that kind of a special bond.

The only thing that I could think of was when they first came to the city and how people were walking everywhere, but it was only as John walked up the stairs or by the control consoles that things initialized and activated. Which doesn't mean he has mental powers, and may only indicate the gene activated systems.

But that also makes me think about your initial supposition as well - there were other marines with the gene on the expedition, and as far as I could tell, it was only John who was able to initialize systems - that is, unless there marines who were exploring were also doing so, we just didn't see it. Which is entirely possible.

I would entirely agree, it's not canon that John has a special mental link with the city. I love all the things that people work into their fics though.

Thanks so much for posting your thought - this had been one of the most interesting discussion posts I have ever had and I'm really appreciating all the diverse thoughts and opinions that are arising from it.
zellieh
Jan. 1st, 2008 10:27 pm (UTC)
"So then, it's not so much how strong the gene is in any given person, but rather their experience? so when Carson sat in the Chair in Antarctica, the whole room didn't light up with displays popping up before him at the slightest thought simply because he was uncomfortable with the technology?"
I think it might have been stated at one point that the Ancient Technology Activation gene was needed because the Ancients 'dna-locked' their tech to stop the Wraith being able to use it, so you need the gene to turn stuff on. I think after that, how well you can use the tech depends on your will and your expertise.

I mean, Carson was shown in canon as being frightened of the Chair, so he was probably being very cautious and careful with it. John at that point didn't know enough about Ancient tech to be afraid, and is also much more of a natural risk-taker anyway, so I think he was probably thinking 'Wow! Aliens! This is so cool!' and 'Let's see what this baby can do!' *G*

To be fair to Carson, he'd probably do better than John with medical tech. John's good with the jumpers because he's a pilot, and with the Chair because he's a soldier, but they still use Rodney for the technical stuff because he's a genius.

"as far as I could tell, it was only John who was able to initialize systems"
Carson was the one who turned on the Ancient hologram-lady, though, so it wasn't just John. (Although I had to stop and think about that one too - ah, fanon! *g*) So I think there were other people turning stuff on, and we just didn't see it. Not that I'm complaining about the way the camera follows John and Rodney around, you understand. *GGG*

I love SGA, so I could talk about this for ages, but I think that's enough for one comment. Oh - Happy New Year to you!
antiqueskies
Jan. 2nd, 2008 04:31 am (UTC)
Buffy's real name is Elizabeth?
How did I not know this?

I like her more now. ^^
shaddyr
Jan. 2nd, 2008 05:36 am (UTC)
Buffy's real name is Elizabeth?
How did I not know this?


Ah, but that is never established as series canon in the show - it is fanon. It shows up in fic all the time and "everyone knows" that Elizabeth is her real name. It's just generally assumed that it must be her full, legal name.

Probably because no one can believe that Joyce Summers could really have been vapid enough to name her child Buffy.

*grin*
antiqueskies
Jan. 4th, 2008 09:51 pm (UTC)
Haha, oh. Well, it does kind of make sense. People named Elizabeth tend to be leader-like.... *coughs humbly*

I always thought Joyce was kind of vapid, though, lol. She never seemed overly-intelligent to me. Then again, the character I liked best was Willow soooooo. :D
ladyniko
Jan. 2nd, 2008 04:53 pm (UTC)
*nudge nudge*

I'm not a McShepper - I just don't "grok" slashing those two. (Now, Sheppard & Weir - that I totally ship because those two were always in each other's personal space & so clicked for me.)

Rodney/Katie - yeah, I get the feeling that's doomed to fail there. Apparently there's something coming up in either 4x13 or 4x14 with them.

John and the ATA gene - someone above made an excellent reference to that. I could see Carson being more comfortable w/ the medical tech definitely - because, if there'd be a way of helping his patients heal faster/better or him diagnosing a problem sooner - he'd be all over that.

If anything, since they're shoving Keller at us, I'd like to see her get more familiar with the tech and not be so damn afraid all the time. (Gah, I was about ready to shoot her in Missing myself!)

However, you still owe me a beta, pretty please? ;) I'd like to get that Lorne fic posted because most of the folks on the com have slashed him and I'm going, "Nahhhh.... I'm going the opposite way!" (One matched him w/ Katie and I'm totally "Bwah?" on that.)

Okay, enough rambling from me.... I need to get my massage pamphlet done today!
antiqueskies
Jan. 4th, 2008 09:53 pm (UTC)
Now, Sheppard & Weir - that I totally ship because those two were always in each other's personal space & so clicked for me.

Word. :D

I liked Keller in "Missing." It was a great moment of character evolution, like in those early episodes when Rodney stepped up and became the character he is rather than just a pretentious asshole.
ladyniko
Jan. 5th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
Word. :D

hehehhehehehe.... Sheppard & Weir is more realistic than Parker & Jarod, as much as I love those two. :)

(I can say that here, since gee, knowing we're like the 3 hardcore Pretender fans over in this corner.)

BTW, Shadz - thank you for the awesome beta - it made sense! :)
antiqueskies
Jan. 6th, 2008 02:35 am (UTC)
Sheppard and Weir were totally doing it, or at least almost but not quite because of duty and obligations and BLAH. She's dead, though, and I hate the writers that much more.

Parker/Jarod never stood a chance. NEVER. Jarod/anyone doesn't really stand a chance, actually. Parker/Lyle was warped but supported by canon, and I'll stick with my crack!OTP of Lyle/Emily. :D
ladyniko
Jan. 6th, 2008 02:53 am (UTC)
She's dead, though, and I hate the writers that much more.

I'm holding out on that score. In my little world called "denial," I am still hoping that Rodney manages to bring her back, because, didn't he after all, finish the nanite programming in Miller's Crossing?

And yes, you aren't the only one who hates the writers for this - Joe Mallozzi & Paul Mullie are the biggest jerks on the planet for that move. They didn't like the actress and thus, didn't like the character.... So, they killed her off. *pout*

Shadz: you have email from me on the pricing for "gate passes" - 135UK = $267ish US/CA. Bah humbug! Full weekend pass is a real huge no go. :p
antiqueskies
Jan. 6th, 2008 03:58 am (UTC)
In my world, this entire extremely lame season was actually the invention of the nanites John should have been infected with back in "The Real World." Baby = death of a show anyway. It would be a way around it.... *clings*

She effing made the show what it was, and they kill her off. Whatev. Now all the characters are boring and one-dimensional so HAH. Everyone loses.
melagan
Jan. 8th, 2008 12:59 pm (UTC)
I missed the poll but I've loved the comments!

And I have to share this bit of older John meta from marythefan because it explains so much about John and I grabbed it and held it next to my bosom as my own personal canon and ... actually it's still true. This is the Sheppard backstory that I want forever and ever

old maroon beret
parisntripfan
Jan. 8th, 2008 04:02 pm (UTC)
Regarding the question on Rodney's parents... I tend to think they may were abusive towards each other - but they never were intentional abusive towards their children. This is not say the kids weren't harmed by their parents actions, it is more Mom and Dad McKay say their kids as weapons and not as targets.

But I also think that something happened when the kids were young. In talking about their childhood both seem to talk about Dad - not Mom (Mum) and Dad, but Dad. So I think something happened to their mother when Jeannie was still a very young child... say around six or seven. I could go on and on about that, but that is a post for another time.

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