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While I was perusing the ol' Friends list, I saw that sgamadison mentioned on her LJ she'd snarfed a link from vida_boheme's LJ to a great article - Are Angry ‘Stargate: SG1/Atlantis’ Fans Partly To Blame For Lousy ‘Stargate: Universe’ Ratings?

It's darkly amusing, as are the reader comments. SGU is tanking (and seriously, is there ANYONE on my LJ who is surprised by this? Seriously? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?) and after telling us that we (SGA fans especially here) don't count, now Brad is crying the blues that we're the ones killing his show?

Yeah, cuz I'm going door to door making sure people don't watch it. Yup. *nods sagely* People clearly can't be trusted to watch it and decide for themselves if it's good or not.

Also, I thought there weren't enough of us disgruntled folk in that less desirable demographic, how could we possibly have the numbers required to TANK a frickin' TV SHOW? Dude, that's a lot of power. And as much as turfing my show to make SGU irritated, I promised only to use my powers for good. Or to get good coffee. Something like that. Plus, seriously, as much as I bitch and whine here, this is the extent of it. I have a life, a job, three kids, volunteer work, convention planning, and I try to write too... I don't have TIME to be organizing the downfall of Brad's little Empire of Dreary Plotlines.

But since he started it... I'm going to revisit my favorite analogy of TV boyfriends.

I don't like being told who I can and cannot date. We were unilaterally told that our relationship with SGA was over. It didn't matter that Sheppard and Mckay had more adventures to share with us, that Todd had more nefarious schemes to hatch. It didn't matter that we wanted to watch Torren grow up, or find out what happened to Chuck. We were just supposed to leave the TV boyfriend(s) who had been (mostly) faithful to us for the last 5 years and start a new relationship with someone we didn't even know if we would like. We couldn't even be Poly like we were with SG1, because there wasn't going to be an overlap before we were forced to let go!

Well, as I think I've mentioned here before, I have decided that I'm not done with my SGA love affair yet, thank you very much Brad and crew. You can keep your 'edgy' writing, your 'mature, intelligent' story telling, and your gritty, realistic shooting style. I like my entertainment to entertain me. I like my escapism to allow me to escape.

Besides, it's all been done before:

Star Trek: Voyager did it with more humour - they were stranded far from home, but at least they didn't angst and back stab. Hello, high school, it's not nice to see you in the 'Gateverse!

Battlestar Galactica had a more interesting plot line - see above comment about high school. And angst. Woe. Whining.

90210 was high school. Nuff said.

I honestly and truly wish all of the actors on SGU good luck and great careers - judging by the bits I watched, with the exception of one (who happens to be a moron to his fans on twitter as well, but that's another story) they seem like fine actors trapped on a substandard show.

I should note that despite my lack of interest, I plan on watching the episodes featuring Picardo and Hewlett. If they actually snag my interest in the plot line of the show, I'll give it a fair shot. I'm not holding out any real hope though, cuz I've given SGU to chances already, and it lost my interest both times. One more and it's three strikes.


I feel a craving for some Lemon Pie coming on.


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Nov. 8th, 2010 08:32 pm (UTC)
TBAB did the same thing when they were introducing the character of Jonas. They shoved him at the fans so hard and fast but some of us [and yes, I was one] simply disliked the character before we ever saw him by the way the idiots were shoving him on us right on the heels of killing off Daniel

I see a trend here. Does anyone else? Kill off the established guy while telling us how *much* better the new guy is / will be.

They never learn...
Nov. 8th, 2010 10:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Brad was a real dick to Shanks by all reports, and the fans by extension. Some things never change.
Nov. 8th, 2010 08:44 pm (UTC)
I love SG1 and SGA. LOVE THEM. With unholy glee. SGU is not part of the Gateverse franchise as far as I'm concerned. I know, I know, they say it is--but it's not.

Tyson and I were talking about this last night. He tried SGU. He watched the whole first season, and he hated it. I tried it, and my response was, "This is BSG-lite. BSG did it better." I liked Stargate because it was lighthearted, even in the midst of all the angst. I loved the characters and the dialog and the fun. SGU isn't fun. It's angstastic and boring and I don't care about any of the characters. Tyson's response when I told him that SGU was tanking? "Good. I hope it gets canceled. I hate that show."

You can't take everything your fans loved about your franchise, chuck it out the window, and then whine when your fans depart in droves. If you do, you just prove what a moron you are.
Nov. 8th, 2010 08:55 pm (UTC)
Dude! I totally call SGU "Battlegate Voyager 90210".


You can't take everything your fans loved about your franchise, chuck it out the window, and then whine when your fans depart in droves. If you do, you just prove what a moron you are.

LOL! Having MET Mallozzi and Gero during the stakeout, I can tell you from first hand interaction, that was the attitude we got. "We're doing it, you need to suck it up, stop complaining and deal. You're gonna love it if you just try it!"

It was hilarious watching n7cdrsheppard just shake her head and tell Gero over and over, "I'm not going to watch your show. No, I'm not going to watch your show."

Man was frustrated. They should have bought a clue then...

Nov. 8th, 2010 09:01 pm (UTC)
I am inclined to try new things, and to like them. Point of fact: I liked Jonas on SG1 and Doggett on The X-Files. So, if someone like me tries your show, being inclined to try new things and like them, and says, "Dude. THIS SUCKS." Then, you know, maybe it sucks. I'm just saying.

It's kind of like being offered your favorite home cooked meal--say, meatloaf and mashed potatoes. And then the person says, "We're not having meatloaf tonight. I've got something better than meatloaf. You're gonna love it! I call it: Fluffy Mackerel Pudding! Most people are going to say, "EW. NO." And some people will try it out of politeness sake. But it's still Fluffy Mackerel Pudding, and it's still a freaking disappointment.
Nov. 8th, 2010 10:38 pm (UTC)

That just...

Heinous is probably too kind.

Nov. 8th, 2010 10:55 pm (UTC)
I'm the same way: HECK I'LL TRY IT WHY NOT.

And yeah. It just didn't get any better, nor was it ever any good and ick. And I liked Doggett and Jonas and was even won over when they re-cast Being Human in spite of myself. I'm EASY.
Nov. 9th, 2010 03:30 pm (UTC)
Me, too. In fact, I'm inclined to like new things, if only because everybody else tends to hate them. For lo, I am contrary as hell. But SGU? I didn't like any of the characters, I didn't care for the story, and I thought it was just dumb. *sigh*
Nov. 9th, 2010 08:57 pm (UTC)
*giant sigh*

I was all ready to say "hey, you know what? This isn't bad." And for some stupid reason I keep thinking I'm going to say that. But it's just not happening.

LOL @ your icon.
Nov. 8th, 2010 11:34 pm (UTC)
OH fuck that noise, I have watched every episode of SGU because I'm sort of compulsive that way after watching FIFTEEN SEASONS of a show, I'm not going to drop it real quick, but jesus, it's a lame show.


I'm not super genre fanatic. Here are shows I've loved:
Scarecrow and Mrs. King
Babylon V
Doctor Who

I generally prefer scifi/fantasy, but the SINGLE commonality in all those shows? Characters I fell in love with.


Not special effects.
Not continuity
Not great storylines or fantastic mytharcs
Not even "plausibility"

I mean I'm starting to fall in love with the Third Doctor, and the costumes are crap, the scripts are stupid, and the special effects are... special... but the character is fantastic, and the interactions of the characters are engaging.

SGU just leaves me wanting them to kill people off. The characters are TIRESOME. The relationships would be infuriating except that I can't bring myself to care that much.

Nov. 9th, 2010 01:14 am (UTC)
"We're doing it, you need to suck it up, stop complaining and deal. You're gonna love it if you just try it!"

Yep. The M&M Twins did the same thing throughout SG-1 S6. They were bound and determined to shove their 'new vision' of SG-1 down everyone's throats. Mallozzi even came out and said he's never taken the time to review/watch any of the back episodes of SG-1 before he started writing for it.

And did that ever show.
Nov. 8th, 2010 08:55 pm (UTC)
SGU is the Stargate franchise's equivalent of the Buffy Season 8 comics. Although not quite that bad.
Nov. 8th, 2010 10:30 pm (UTC)

At least Buffy was featured in the Buffy comics.


There is something to what you say...
Nov. 8th, 2010 09:07 pm (UTC)
I really fail to gather up words for how much of an idiot I think Wright is. He really has his foot permanently inserted into his mouth or something... *shakes head still disbelievingly
Nov. 8th, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)
He really should suck a lemon. Maybe it would help him pucker up and keep his pie hole shut.
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Nov. 8th, 2010 10:28 pm (UTC)
Nov. 8th, 2010 10:21 pm (UTC)
Lemon pie - ?
Nov. 8th, 2010 10:33 pm (UTC)
It's a thing. Rodney was allergic to citrus. So lemons = bad. It doesn't really make sense, just nod and move along. Nothing to see here...

*hands you a slice of pie*
Nov. 9th, 2010 12:31 am (UTC)
I'm not allergic. Pie might make me hang around, not move along. Haven't had any in a while, in fact. Pie.
Nov. 8th, 2010 11:23 pm (UTC)
Can I be devil's advocate?

I've been in online fandom since the tail end of 2004, so not a terribly long time, but nearly six years. And in all that time, I have never ever had a bad fannish experience until SGU aired.

I miss SGA. I wanted SGA to continue.

But the amount of vitriol spewed at the show by SGA fans was (and is still, if you visit the message boards) ..... excessive to say the least. Sight unseen, before a single episode had aired, BNFs I had theretofore respected posted about how horrible the show was and horrible any SGA fan who dared to watch the show was. In pretty ridiculous terms.

Once I actually watched the show and decided I liked it enough to keep watching and maybe even write for it, people in fandom were rude and condescending to me. It put me off fandom for a long long time. Even now, I don't really participate in SGA fandom beyond my flist because I started to feel like the crazy was rivalling SPN. LOL

I think there are tons of reasons not to like SGU that are legitimate and valid, and frankly I share some of them. How about we don't kill of the women folks or relegate them to minor roles? How about we examine our privilege in terms of race and Otherness, Show? How about we don't chuck Elizabeth through the Gate for all eternity?

But the flak I was getting, and what I think the author of that article is referring to, was from a handful of people who seemed to think that SGU was responsible for breaking up John and Rodney. Which, um..... John/Rodney exists gloriously and nakedly and wonderfully in fandom and SGU has nothing to do with ending their epic love. How could it? Fandom ensures that it lives forever! As it should.
Nov. 9th, 2010 12:30 am (UTC)
I'm really sorry you were treated badly by other fans.

I know that when I was on the bandwagon to write in or send lemons, I was startled by the vehemence of people hoping it was cancelled. Now, I think that Brad should suck a lemon and shot himself in the foot and I won't apologize for that, but I sure don't want the actors to be out of paying jobs because I'm pissed they cancelled my show.

I actually really like Lou Diamond Philips as an actor. And I was waiting to see what all the hype was about the guy playing Rush. So, I did watch some. I think 5 or 6 episodes. I *like* David Blue's character - I have a weakness for science geeks, and he's just such a CUTEY!

But... meh. It's not FUN. They don't want to be there. There is no joy, only desperation. There was desperation on Atlantis, sure, but they *wanted* to be there.

There are plenty of shows where people were trapped - Quantum Leap, Sliders, even 1st year SGA - there was still some joy in them. I just walked away from SGU thinking, "Well, that's depressing."

And I agree - until I choose to walk away from Atlantis, it will remain. I can write stories forever if I want. I just really dislike waste and stupidity. SGA had at least another year in it, possibly two. MGM and BW have the money and own it, and they can do whatever the hell they want. But I don't like being told that, as a fan who spends money on comics and books and action figures and pictures and cons, my demographic is irrelevant and this new thing is what I'm going to like now.

Invite me in and welcome me? We can talk. Shove it down my throat and treat me with disrespect after I put a fair chunk of money in your merchandise? Yeah. No thanks.

BTW: I would read your SGU fic. Cuz, y'know - I know that you can write a story that I'd want to read. Just sayin'.

Nov. 9th, 2010 02:33 pm (UTC)
I am really enjoying SGU. BSG did most things better, but I will be entirely candid and say that Rush is my current fave mad scientist and his ongoing battle with Young is a treat. I think folks are right to believe it won't make a third season though.
Nov. 11th, 2010 03:31 am (UTC)
You are a sweetie.


I'm glad I've got people like you on my flist.
Nov. 9th, 2010 01:52 am (UTC)
Our Vancouver Stargate fan group has around 20 core members who come to all the meetings. I and several others used to vent and rant about our dislike of SGU. We watched it, but hated it. I finally noticed that two of our younger members were really upset when the group jumped on the bash-SGU bandwagon. They enjoy the show. As far as I know, it's only the two of them, out of more than 20, but still, I don't want to ruin their enjoyment of fandom with my complaints. I've made it a new policy to keep my mouth shut about the show.

I don't like the show or the characters, but I respect the rights of others who might. I think it will be cancelled soon enough, and then we'll all have to find something else to wank about.
Nov. 20th, 2010 04:43 am (UTC)
Yeah, cuz I'm going door to door making sure people don't watch it. Yup. *nods sagely*
Well, of course you are. Carrying a Canadian WMD (a squirrel, as a shoutout to Hewlett).
We were just supposed to leave the TV boyfriend(s) who had been (mostly) faithful to us for the last 5 years and start a new relationship with someone we didn't even know if we would like.
And don't forget the girlfriends either (hi, Elizabeth, Teyla, Laura).

I really like the creative way you expressed your feeling of being rejected (and wish it didn't have to be that way).
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