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As everyone has probably noticed in the last 3 - 5 years, LJ traffic has gone waaaay down. Remember when trying to keep up with the Flist was well nigh impossible, and people would regularly purge because there was just too much traffic? Yeah, I bet no one has needed to do that in a while.

At first, I thought most people had migrated over to DW, but it doesn't really look like there's a whole lot of traffic over there. Besides, a lot of folks cross post, so you can read them on both sides, which I greatly appreciate, since I often forget to check DW.

I know a gigantic whack of people moved over to using Facebook instead of LJ. Thing is, I really LIKE keeping my Real Life/Name and my Fannish/Filk stuff separate, so I dislike that intensely. While I love filk and costuming and all the other fannish activities I'm involved in, I've actually had employers who have made it plain that fan stuff is weird; I don't want to be in a situation where a potential employer can easily find stuff that could affect my employability just sitting there on facebook. Call me a paranoid worry wart, I don't care. I harken back to the days when you NEVER EVER EVER told people who were outside of your modemmer circle what your online psuedo was. I still feel that way.

My daughter is a Tumblr addict, and I get the sense that a great lot of fannish stuff happens there these days. I made an account over there, but I find it somewhat confusing to try and find things and I'm not crazy about the layout, so I don't really go on there much. That being said, I think the first two years I had my LJ, I barely used it as all. I might like it better once I figure it out.

Even though many folks don't post and barely read here anymore, I still love the LJ platform, layout options and threaded response style. It may not be perfect, but at least I can always follow a conversation that breaks off right to the end without getting lost. I do love me some fine photos, but it's nice that the text of what people say is more important that pictures. And I suppose the upshot of it being low traffic these days is that I don't need to feel guilty about NOT keeping up.

I keep planning to post more - partly because that's how to generate some actual activity on LJ after all, post actual CONTENT... and I do enjoy it when people comment and discussions arise. I also think it's a good exercise for me to do so. Helps to get the creative juices flowing so to speak. I'd like to say I'll post something every day, but HAHAHAHAHA that would so never happen. I'll aim at once a week, knowing full well that is unlikely but, whatever. Gotta aim high, right?


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Oct. 13th, 2014 07:34 pm (UTC)
I would never put my fandom stuff on FB either, that's for real life family and friends, lol.

As for Tumblr, I had one and deleted it after a few years. It's populated mostly by the very young and naive, in my experience, and there is no way to have a conversation on that platform. It's just not built for that.

If you like to look at pretty pics/gifs, then Tumblr is the place to be :)

I have a permanent lj, so I'm not going anywhere.
Oct. 13th, 2014 07:40 pm (UTC)
Well, that's good to know! Even with it being as quiet as it is, I like LJ and this is where I'm planning to stay.
Oct. 13th, 2014 07:56 pm (UTC)
I'm with you. I have plenty of friends from fandom on my FB, but they are the friends who can keep the two absolutely separated.

DW is pretty dead, too. I think the types of fannish conversation must have changed at a fundamental level that this old broad doesn't understand. So I'm staying here, and trying to post more frequently, and glad to see people I care about doing the same.
Oct. 13th, 2014 08:04 pm (UTC)
I think the types of fannish conversation must have changed at a fundamental level that this old broad doesn't understand.

Ha! This old broad agrees strongly with your statement.

So I'm staying here, and trying to post more frequently, and glad to see people I care about doing the same.

Excellent news. I'm delighted to be in such esteemed company.
Oct. 13th, 2014 08:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think a lot of fannish activity has moved over to tumblr (mostly for the graphics) and AO3 (for fic). LJ was/is great for keeping up friendships that go beyond fandom, and I think people are using tumblr similarly, but the setup definitely takes some getting used to. Also, it's nearly impossible to keep up with tumblr posts.

But I'm with you on avoiding any fallout in my personal life from fandom stuff. It's just not worth trying to explain fandom to people who might not understand, and while I have no idea how my boss would respond if he found that NC-17 slash fic I wrote, I don't want to find out. ;-)
Oct. 13th, 2014 08:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I've certainly found myself linked to Tumblr repeatedly for images and amusing things, but conversation there seems to be a challenge. sgamadison has remarked numerous times that Tumblr and AO3 both make feedback and discussion difficult, and I think she's right. That is one thing that LJ is eminently suited for.
Oct. 13th, 2014 08:39 pm (UTC)
Facebook is for local stuff and family stuff and "acquaintance" stuff. I still have a robust circle of friends posting on Livejournal/dreamwidth. Tumbler confuses and frightens me.

Fannish stuff happens here.
Oct. 13th, 2014 08:47 pm (UTC)
I find that, often in the filk circles, there is quite a bit of overlap. I really shy away from that, and have resented several times when Filk people have added me to something prominently fannish. I actually had a bad work related experience that involved fandom a few years back. If I had not already been hired, I don't think I would have been after that. And it's so hard to get through to people who tag and name people in photos that you don't want that - drives me crazy. it's easier to just not be involved. So I just avoid facebook all together for the most part.

Glad you are still here, though! :)
Oct. 13th, 2014 08:59 pm (UTC)
Another consideration, for me, is that I have 350 facebook friends, some of whom I barely know. So, even though all my facebook posts are set to "friends only", I only share things that I'm willing to have out in public. I share things on LJ that I'd only want my friends to read, though I'm not sure how many of them actually do.
Oct. 14th, 2014 01:55 am (UTC)
I can understand that! I have some people on my FB who I know but haven't seen for years, and I would feel very uncomfortable talking about certain things with them.

Oct. 13th, 2014 09:30 pm (UTC)
I totally agree. I miss the traffic back in the old LJ days and those kids on tumblr are making me insane (every once in a while, there's some drama about someone linking posts tagged as personal to someone who wasn't supposed to see them and all I want to do is shake the person in question and tell them that there is this wonderful feature called friends-locked on LJ and OMG, just stop posting personal stuff where everyone can read it) with their drama and their teenage belief that they are the ones who invented fandom and that they are the only ones fighting oppression the right way and whatnot. I love tumblr for the pretty graphics and the funny things but I still love LJ for the company and I keep fearing that even the most die hard LJ users will disappear one by one :(

Like, tumblr is the bar where I go after work and sometimes get stuck for a little while, but LJ is home (has been for, OMG, eight years now). And it's sad that so many people are leaving home :(
Oct. 14th, 2014 01:29 am (UTC)
all I want to do is shake the person in question and tell them that there is this wonderful feature called friends-locked on LJ and OMG, just stop posting personal stuff where everyone can read it

I KNOW, RIGHT?! What the actual hell is wrong with people?

I like the whole Tumblr=bar. heh. I kind of think of it as that crazy place the young kids hang out, with lots of flash and glitter and very little substance. Cotton Candy content. And I agree; I think of LJ as home.
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Oct. 13th, 2014 10:03 pm (UTC)
I'm still reading LJ for stuff that actually matters. And it's better for posting pictures. I do follow Facebook, and post the best of my photos, but it feels too public, and too many of the people who used to *say* things on LJ now post links on FB. On LJ if you want to post a political rant that might offend someone, you have to write it yourself. On FB, people just link to someone else's political rants, making it a lazy, easy way to fill up my screen with non-illuminating drama. I prefer the personal hand-made drama we used to have on LJ that would illuminate people's lives.
Oct. 14th, 2014 01:33 am (UTC)
I agree with you very much about the too public part. I really dislike that. I LIKE the idea of having an open LJ with the option to F-lock posts, and that because I use a pseudo, it's not nearly as easy for people I might not want associating the work me with the fannish me to connect the dots.

Also, yes, you are completely right about the lazy part. Why bother writing your own thoughtful analysis of something if you can just "me too" with the click of a button?

BTW, I do enjoy your photo posts, even though I rarely comment. I often don't know what to say, so I just don't say anything. I supposed that's the only good thing about a "like" button.
Oct. 13th, 2014 10:14 pm (UTC)
I really could have written this exact post. I feel the same about it all. I miss the busier days of LJ, I have a tumblr but find it completely unsuited to conversation, and FB is for RL, not fannish stuff, for the most part. There is really no other platform better for having deeper discussions than LJ that I know of, but I guess people have less time/shorter attention spans these days? I'm really not sure why traffic has gone down other than that, because none of those other social media sites are really a replacement, they're all a totally different way of communicating.
Oct. 14th, 2014 01:44 am (UTC)
I am right there with you on the bandwagon - I think LJ is a fantastic forum for discussion and interaction. I remember when everyone from the Gutter and BAPs started migrating over to LJ from yahoo, and wondering if the discussions would go away; I was so pleased when it turned out to be such a user friendly platform.

I'm really not sure why traffic has gone down other than that, because none of those other social media sites are really a replacement, they're all a totally different way of communicating.

I think that most of the folks in our general demographic (age, fannish interests, children, etc) have many demands on our time, so the amount we have to dedicate to something LJ can be suboptimal. It's a lot easier to catch up on FB people & like a few things then cruise Tumblr for funny photos and memes, all with the intent to post something real later. I know that I'm guilty of the same; while I may not FB a lot, I'll read a few things, follow a few links and next thing I know, I'm ready for bed.

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Oct. 13th, 2014 10:51 pm (UTC)
I'm addicted to Tumblr as well and yeah, at first the layout is a bit confusing but you figure it out eventually. And I've made some really good friends over there through shared interests and people.

That being said, it's also a place where there's a lot of hate/anger in certain circles and there are times where I just need to take a day off from it in order to chill out and "de-tox." But overall I'm glad that I made the move.
Oct. 14th, 2014 01:47 am (UTC)
Yeah, my daughter is on Tumblr all the time. She often shows or sends me things she finds there, and it seems there are a lot of interesting things there, but she also says the same thing you've mentioned here - much wank can be found. The same was certainly true of LJ at times; I think it's true anywhere you go online.
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Oct. 13th, 2014 11:19 pm (UTC)
I do miss the busy days of LJ but I have no desire to take up either Facebook or Tumblr or Twitter or anything along those lines. Over the ten years I've been on LJ I've made friends that are dear to me and some have even entered my actual life. I look forward every morning to log in and see what's new with everyone, even if that group is much smaller than it used to be.
Oct. 14th, 2014 01:51 am (UTC)
I have no desire to take up either Facebook or Tumblr or Twitter or anything along those lines.

I hear that! I did try twitter for a while, but that was before I had a mobile phone and didn't really get the appeal, since I could post more efficiently on LJ and have more characters to work with! Now, I have a work phone, and have no interest in having Twitter post trackable by my workplace.

Just so you know, I am always glad to see your posts. I know I rarely comment, but I almost always click through your links because you post such interesting things, stuff I might not see or hear of otherwise. Like that recent post about Detroit; living in Canada, it's something that I don't really know a lot about or pay a lot of attention to, but it was very interesting to learn.
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Oct. 14th, 2014 02:02 am (UTC)
I don't find tumblr conducive to having conversations like this one here--and a fair number of people I know are fed up with Facebook too. I hear more and more rumblings of posts like this one--people saying they want what LJ used to give us--hey, why not go back to LJ? :-)

So if it's any consolation, you're not alone and you can count me among the ones wanting more LJ activity again. :-)
Oct. 14th, 2014 02:30 am (UTC)
Ha! I mentioned in my response to enigmaticblues that you had said this many times over the last few years, that conversations, discussion and feedback are very difficult in a forum like Tumbr or even on AO3. And I love AO3, I think it's fantastic, but you're totally right - it's not a place to have any kind of ongoing dialogue.

I hope people come back to LJ, but even if they don't, the responses I've had to this post have made it evident to me that many of the people I really want to talk to are already here.
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Oct. 14th, 2014 02:48 am (UTC)
Facebook is for pics of the grandchildren.

LJ is for Very Naughty Naked Men

DW is backup for a panicked soul. Those Naked Men have to have somewhere to go if LJ ever burns and crashes.

AO3 - getting a lot more comfortable with it and having emails announcing, "You've got Kudos", is kind of sweet.

Tumblr...To be honest, I get overwhelmed by Tumblr very quickly. I think it has something to do with the way my brain works and tries to process all that input.

Of all, LJ has given me the best conversations.

But you're right, to generate conversations you have to post. And leave feedback.

*resolves to do more of both*
Oct. 14th, 2014 03:10 am (UTC)

This should be, I dunno, some kind of meta post on your LJ. HA! Awesome.

Of all, LJ has given me the best conversations.

About naughty naked men, of course. *snerk*

I also resolve to improve when it comes to posting content, making comments and leaving feedback.
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Oct. 14th, 2014 02:53 am (UTC)
DW and LJ are the ones I post to regularly and keep up with. FB is not only too high bandwidth, it has too low a signal/noise ratio. I read it but make no effort to keep up to date.
Oct. 14th, 2014 03:11 am (UTC)
FB is not only too high bandwidth, it has too low a signal/noise ratio.

HA! Ain't THAT the truth! I hear you - I will sometimes read, but I rarely post anything. And I am usually 200+ items behind, so I don't even try to make sure I am caught up.
Oct. 14th, 2014 04:08 am (UTC)
I'm with you on the format here... almost everything else seems like a huge step backward (none of the others have threaded conversations and Tumblr reminds me of Myspace but with few flashing fonts). I still don't post here as much as I'd like, but I've been trying to make an effort to update a little more often too!
Oct. 15th, 2014 02:47 am (UTC)
Tumblr reminds me of Myspace but with few flashing fonts

I just repeated that to my daughter, Tumblr addicted and she cracked up and said that was a great description.

I agree. HA! That's awesome.
Oct. 14th, 2014 09:13 am (UTC)
I've tried tumblr and twitter, but neither are really my thing, so I'm sticking with LJ and Facebook (And AO3). I don't mind people from over here friending me on FB, since I'm done with being super secretive about what I write. But I don't go around shouting about it either, so if you feel comfortable with that, feel free to look me up over there. (I will not make any fanfic related comments on anything you post, rest assured. I won't mention even having met you for real if that's what you prefer)

But I'm going to stay on LJ for the foreseeable future, as long as I have my lovely friends here too ^_^
Oct. 15th, 2014 03:52 am (UTC)
I don't think I have very many fandom friend on my FB - not because I don't trust them, but because I don't want to deal with the possible RL fallout from noisy people.

I don't have the kind of issues that some of the folks at SQUEE weekend mentioned having run into (or having friends who ran into) because other people disapproved of what they were doing, but the potential is there, so... better safe than sorry.
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