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There is something I don't understand...

Maybe this was explained in the books - I never read past the third one, even though I love the movies and have watched them infinity times.

WHY exactly was it that VOLDY had to kill Harry?

What would have happened if he'd died as a child - like, acute appendicitis? Or been killed by someone else - like knocked off his broom during Quidditch and broke his neck? No coming back from that if you're brain dead.

Not trying to be morbid, just asking - what would have happened to the horcrux in him? Why did it HAVE to be Voldy?

This entry was originally posted at http://shaddyr.dreamwidth.org/393578.html. Please comment wherever you want.

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gelbes_gilatier
Sep. 4th, 2017 10:53 pm (UTC)
What would have happened if he'd died as a child - like, acute appendicitis? Or been killed by someone else - like knocked off his broom during Quidditch and broke his neck?

If you mean Harry by "he": Neville. The prophecy about the "Chosen One" that would kill Voldy applied both to Harry and to Neville (they were born around the same time and other factors applied to both, too), and yes, that was better explained in the books (Order of the Phoenix, mostly). This explains the whole prophecy thing in depth.

Edited at 2017-09-04 10:54 pm (UTC)
shaddyr
Sep. 5th, 2017 01:08 am (UTC)
Oh, yeah, good link! I have been trolling every Harry Potter fandom resource on the prophecies to try and figure this one out, and this is where I got the exact - and confusing - wording.

So you figure the Horcrux would have jumped to Neville if someone else killed Harry beside Voldy?

The reason I am asking is there is this fic I am working on. And things are different. So, trying to make sure I stay as consistent with canon as possible, even if i change circumstances.
luna_shovegood
Sep. 5th, 2017 02:37 pm (UTC)
I don't believe it would jump - the first half of the prophecy could have applied to either, however it also said 'and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal'.

Harry is hopeful that the prophecy might not apply to him after all, however Dumbledore shoots that one down by explaining that Voldemort's choice to hunt Harry - and thus Harry's scar - means that the prophecy now only applies to Harry and Voldemort.

Voldemort doesn't necessarily have to kill Harry, however Dumbledore (who has done considerable studying on the topic) explains that Voldemort likes ceremony and collecting trophies - his Horcruxes could be anything and yet he chooses relics. Similarly, as a child he collected 'trophies' of children he'd terrorised.

Another example, is that in the fourth book Voldemort insists on Harry's blood being used in his regeneration potion - Barty Crouch Jr complains that it makes it more complex (and protects Voldemort from Harry touching him), however he could have used any foe's blood.

JKR's excuse for why there's no disabled characters is that magic protects wizards from muggle ailments (or at least, magic can cure them), only magic illness or cursed wounds cause disability. So, Harry couldn't have died of acute appendicitis and grows up in a muggle environment and doesn't interact (much) with potentially contagious wizards until he goes to school.

(Personally, I think it's an easy out.)

There's an interesting discussion about the follies of using living bodies as horcruxes, however with inanimate objects the horcrux and its container cannot be destroyed by anything but the darkest/strongest magic (basilisk venom, fiendyfire, killing curse, etc). Thus, it will be unaffected by fire.

I suspect this could contribute towards Harry's spectacular luck.

However, if the soul part is bound to its container, if you destroy the container then the horcrux cannot survive and definitely can't be transferred. Except if the splitter feels true remorse and then there's a rather painful processes which rebuilds the soul (and is why Harry suggests Voldy try some).

Am happy to answer any further questions but... there's so much missing from the later films (having been so far condensed) that I think it could be difficult to follow canon.

Edited at 2017-09-05 02:42 pm (UTC)
shaddyr
Sep. 6th, 2017 04:51 am (UTC)
...Voldemort insists on Harry's blood being used in his regeneration potion - Barty Crouch Jr complains that it makes it more complex (and protects Voldemort from Harry touching him), however he could have used any foe's blood.

I did not realize that using Harry's blood protected Voldemort. I wondered if it could have been anyone who strongly opposed him.

JKR's excuse for why there's no disabled characters is that magic protects wizards from muggle ailments (or at least, magic can cure them), only magic illness or cursed wounds cause disability.

Huh! I've read stories that imply that, I didn't realize it was actually canon.

I suspect this could contribute towards Harry's spectacular luck.

And THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE about the luck. Who knew that having a horcrux in you might be a sort of Felix Felicis when it came to avoiding being murdered.

However, if the soul part is bound to its container, if you destroy the container then the horcrux cannot survive and definitely can't be transferred.

Ok, now THIS is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.
luna_shovegood
Sep. 6th, 2017 09:26 am (UTC)
Glad it helped! As a side note, the reason Dumbledore was steering it towards Voldemort's plan to be the one to 'get' Harry is because he was relying on the ancient magic of sacrifice to give Harry the choice to come back.

That's why the snitch could only be opened 'at the close', he had to believe he needed to die to save everyone to have that 'opportunity'. Otherwise he would just have died.

Unfortunately, you can read about JKR's questionable take on illness/disability here.

Edited at 2017-09-06 09:29 am (UTC)
kazzy_cee
Sep. 5th, 2017 08:03 am (UTC)
I think you need to read the books - it's explained in depth in them. Far more detail than in the films.
shaddyr
Sep. 6th, 2017 04:52 am (UTC)
I know, people keep saying that, and maybe one day I will - but for the purposes of this fic, I just need to glean a little.
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